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In this episode, Phil and Roy have a discussion with Frank Payne of Living Art. We hear about Frank’s origins in herpetoculture, how he grew his practice into a thriving family business, how he selects species to focus his efforts on, designing systems and routines for success – and of course, a whole bunch of husbandry talk in between. Enjoy! And please like, subscribe, and share this episode, if you feel so inclined.

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